President Donald Trump should pardon Edward Snowden.
I know, it’s embarrassing — Assange, Manning, Snowden. Who did what?
I got them confused before I researched this topic. National security isn’t my beat.
I finally educated myself this month because I got a chance to interview Mr. Snowden, the CIA/NSA employee who told the world that our government spied on us but lied to Congress about it.
Now Mr. Snowden is hiding from American authorities.
We talked via Zoom.
Fourteen years ago, when Snowden worked for the CIA, and then the NSA, he signed agreements saying he would not talk about what he did. I confronted him about breaking his promise.
“What changed me,” he answered, “was the realization that what our government actually does was very different than the public representation of it.”
The NSA’s mass surveillance program was meant to find foreign terrorists. When congressmen asked NSA officials if, without warrants, they collected data on Americans, they lied and said, “No.”
“There was a breathtaking sweep of intentional knowing public deception,” Snowden said. “We’re capturing everything that your family is doing online.”
I asked Snowden if his co-workers had qualms.
“In private, some said, ‘This is crazy. I’m not sure this is legal, but you know what happens to people who talk about this.'”
What does happen?
Nothing terrible, said President Barack Obama, who claimed Mr. Snowden could have revealed the government’s lawbreaking legally. “There were other avenues available,” he told reporters.
“What he said was incorrect,” Snowden told me.
Government officials protect themselves by discrediting those who reveal inconvenient truths. Previous whistleblowers lost their jobs. Some were shocked to be subjects of dawn raids by federal police with guns drawn.
I understand why Mr. Snowden feared “proper” channels.
Instead, he took documents to journalists. The world learned the truth.
American officials said Mr. Snowden’s leaks put lives at risk. But in the eight years since then, they’ve never given any clear examples.
“They constantly tell us, ‘This is for your safety (and) to investigate terrorists,'” said Mr. Snowden. “Barack Obama’s own investigations found that it didn’t stop a single terrorist attack.”
At the time, the NSA did claim that mass surveillance stopped terrorism.
Richard Ledgett, former deputy director of the NSA, said NSA programs contributed to stopping 54 terrorist attacks.
“That makes me feel safer when I hear that,” I told Mr. Snowden.
“We want to believe it’s true,” Mr. Snowden responds, “but it’s not. The government itself no longer makes these claims that it stopped 54 plots.”
In fact, the government no longer claims it stopped any attacks.
All of this made me realize — Mr. Snowden got a raw deal.
I asked him if he wasn’t upset. “(Former Director of National Intelligence) James Clapper lied to Congress and he wasn’t fired! Now he works for CNN. (Former NSA director) Keith Alexander wasn’t fired. Now he’s on Amazon’s board! They made out; you’re in exile.”
“If you’re one of these ‘made men,'” answered Mr. Snowden, “You face a very different flavor of justice.”
Mr. Snowden went to Hong Kong to give reporters the data that showed the NSA had lied. He asked 27 countries to grant him asylum, without success. He tried to fly to Ecuador. When his plane stopped for a layover in Moscow, U.S. officials revoked his passport. He’s been stuck in Moscow for seven years now.
If he returns to America, Mr. Snowden will almost certainly be jailed.
“I can be very much at peace with the choices that I’ve made,” he said. “It was the right thing to do, and it has made things better. Some of these programs have been halted.”
In 2013, Donald Trump was asked about Snowden. He said, “This guy is a bad guy, and there is still a thing called execution!” But this year, President Trump said he’d “look at” giving Mr. Snowden a pardon.
“I think it’s clearer and clearer that what I did was the right thing to do,” Mr. Snowden told me. “History has a way of exonerating the truth.”
Mr. Snowden did a good thing. He deserves a pardon.
Julian Assange deserves one, too.
John Stossel, a former ABC News and Fox Business Channel anchor, is author of “Give Me a Break: How I Exposed Hucksters, Cheats, and Scam Artists and Became the Scourge of the Liberal Media.” For other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit www.creators.com.